Geirfold halvblindi Kolbeinson wrote:
You won't find a famous "Viking" from the 1300's as the Viking Age was over by then. As to famous Normans - Where from? Normandy, England? Sicily? If England, the entire Royal family and most of the nobility were Norman.

At to pronunciation, which particular words? I looked at the list from VAL and there are several for "bitch" and a couple for "dog" and/or "hound". If you list them or email me with them, I could help with that part.[/quote]


What about Norse names then?

And I think I mixed up Norse and Norman. Somehow I thought Norman=someone from Norway. Which I think now is incorrect.

Sorry its taken me so long to reply btw. I was looking for a good 13th century period name for my upcoming dog. I was pondering Norse god names (Thor and Freyja were my favorites) but I dont think it was period to name your dog after a God.

Suggestions are welcome though. I lost my list of 'names' that I had been having troubles pronouncing.

Annie the Blind wrote:



What about Norse names then?

And I think I mixed up Norse and Norman. Somehow I thought Norman=someone from Norway. Which I think now is incorrect.

Sorry its taken me so long to reply btw. I was looking for a good 13th century period name for my upcoming dog. I was pondering Norse god names (Thor and Freyja were my favorites) but I dont think it was period to name your dog after a God.

Suggestions are welcome though. I lost my list of 'names' that I had been having troubles pronouncing.[/quote]

The Norman's were decendants of Norse raiders whe were asked to settle a particular area in France (what is now Normandy). They were given the land in exchange for stopping further raids into France.

Anyway, as to names FOR dogs, There are very few examples have come down to us. You are right, they should not be given the names of any of the gods or goddesses, at least not without aditions. Humans until mdoern times were not even named such. Human names had additions to the god/dess name - Thorstein, Freydis, Thorbjorn, etc. Such name types could be used for a dog also. For example, Thorshund (Thor's hound) or Freyrakki (Frey's Dog).

On the VAL site there are a few names listed that have come out of some of the sagas.
Floki - (etymology unclear, may perhaps be related to Modern Norwegian floke, "outspoken and enterprising"). Hjôrleifr's dog from Hálfs saga og Hálfsrekka.
Garmr - "tatter, rags", the monster dog that kills Týr.
Gífr - "rapacious, savage", one of Fiôlsvinn's dogs from Fiôlsvinnsmál.
Geri - "ravener", one of Fiôlsvinn's dogs from Fiôlsvinnsmál, also the name of one of Óðinn's wolves.
Gramr - "wrath", Fullafli's dog in Þorsteins saga Víkingssonar.
Inn-Þrændum - "the Trondheimer", dog of Eysteinn illráði (the wicked) in Frá Fornjóti ok hans ættmönnum.
Sámr - "swarthy, blackish", Irish dog (a wolfhound?) given by Ólafr pái ("peacock") to Gunnar in Brennu-Njáls saga.
Saurr - "mud, dirt, excrement", dog made king over the Danes by the Swedish King Eysteinn of the Upplands in Hákonar saga Aðalsteinsfóstra (part of Snorri Sturluson's Heimskringla).
Vígi - "fighter, killer", King Óláfr's dog in Ólafs saga Tryggvasonar (part of Snorri Sturluson's Heimskringla).

Below the above list on her page is the list of terms for dogs. Some of those could also be used as a name. But I'd wait to see the personality of the dog before using one of those. And that leads to a suggestion: Wait to see what the dogs personality is like and give it a name based on that. For instance, I have a cat that's name is Elska it is Norwegian for Love. I suffer from depression and she seams to know when to come and cuddle and purr when I really need it.

Not sure where my post went, but thank you!

None of those dogs would fit my dog at all sadly (herd work dog) but I'll take another look closer to the date.

Greetings Domhnall and Sieghart

I wanted to let you both know my name and device have been submitted to Laurel. The submission was done in February, I just recently received written documentation of said submission....

Thanks to both of you for working to make this happen... You guys rock....

YiS

Ealusaid...

Good luck Ealusaid!

I was wondering if I can get a conflict check on the following device.... I know A LOT of guys use Dragons and Eagles... I am hoping this combination is NOT already in use....

Per Fess Purpure and Or; 2 Eagles Rising Or, a Dragon volant bendwise Purpure









Thank you so very much.....

If anyone is out there who could help me with names I would greatly appreciate it.

I am working on two Late 5th - Early 6th Celtic names and I need to get together documentation so I can start the registration. I am Irish. He has an Irish mother and a pictish father.

The name I would like to try to register is Ségnat, ( pronounced SHAY-nat)ingen Foalán and my husband is thinking about Ségán Hir as we are currently in Gwynedd. If he were to take a patronymic byname would I use the word ap before his "father's name?

We know they are derived from the same word seg, but in real life we are Stephen and Stephany, so we are used to it. I have some documentation concerning the names in Gaelic Personal Names by Donnchadh Ó Corráin, Fidelma Maguire on pages 163 and 164.

I need more but I don't have any idea where to begin to look for all of this, and I am utterly clueless as to how to go about devices.

Thanks, in advance, for any help you can offer.

I note that Faolán is an Early Modern Irish spelling. The Old Irish spelling is Fáelán (medievalscotland.org/kmo/AnnalsIndex/Masculine/Faelan.shtml), which when lenited and put into genitive case gives us the name Ségnat ingen Fháeláin. Note that the F doesn't get pronounced.

Segnat and Segan seem to be good Old Irish names (found in medievalscotland.org/kmo/AnnalsIndex/). Hir is a Welsh descriptive name which was a different language, even in the 5th century.

Given these are all Gaelic names, not Welsh, I'd use <mac> before a patronymic.

Thank you so much for the help.


I can see what you are saying about his byname, however our storyline goes that his father is Welsh and his mother is Irish so we are going to say that she got to pick the given name. We "currently" live in Gwynedd and our children's names are going to be Welsh, also.
I know the storyline sounds a bit goofy but it ties our heritages together nicely so that we are studying studying both cultures.

Maybe we should just give him a Welsh name. We were sort of hung up on doing similar names in the SCA because we are Stephen and Stephany in the mundane world and thought to keep it going.

In period, names were almost always completely in one language. When someone moved countries, their whole name was adapted by the new community or if it didn't fit at all, the new community gave them a new name.

Name adaption or replacement still happens today, for example, some Chinese immigrants to Western countries choose a "Western name" because they want to "fit in" or feel their Chinese name is too difficult for non-Chinese speakers to pronounce.

Also, if you want to register your names with the College of Arms, keep in mind that mixing Welsh and Gaelic name elements is not registerable. This is because the College's scholars have not found any evidence that Welsh and Gaelic names ever mixed in period. Other languages are allowed to be mixed because there is period evidence for that particular mix.

So you can have a wholly Irish name and your husband can have a wholly Welsh name, but you can't mix those two languages within a name.

Thanks, again. I had read an article at St. Gabriel that made me think I could get away with it because the persona would have been the son of one of the Irish colonists in Britain which the following article speaks of. I suppose I would have to use one of the names on this list so as to have proper documentation,though.

Appendix VI - A special consideration of some Irish inscriptions in early Britain
www.s-gabriel.org/names/tangwystyl/british1000/appendix6.html

I don't even know if it would be okay to give him a Welsh name as his persona is actually the son of one of the Gododdin Pict's which went to Wales to drive out the Irish. Sometimes I wish we'd just made him Stephen of Dyghton and been done with it. Playing around with these Early Period Names gives me a headache.

Well we went to our shire's monthly meeting last night. Unfortunately, the herald hasn't been at the last couple of meetings. Since I didn't want to wait until July to fill our forms out, one of the other genteel helped us a bit though and we think that we have all the documentation we need.

So assuming I can actually track the herald down and get this paperwork submitted, these are the names we settled with, pending registration.


Ségnat ingen Fháeláin
Morcant Hir
Geneviève d’Angers - Our 16-year-old daughter who is a 15th century French lady hanging out with a bunch of Celts. That should be interesting.


Thanks for your help.